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Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

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Balla & Silly
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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von Balla & Silly » Sa 9. Apr 2011, 13:37

8812 hat geschrieben:
Balla & Silly hat geschrieben:[...] Diese Zusammenfassung kann hier eingesehen werden (Posting #9).
[...] Heidi
Leider nur nach Anmeldung. :???:
Heidi, könntest Du das, wie Thomas ja schon vorschlug, nicht hier einstellen?
Frohes Jagen
Hans
Oh...sorry. Dann kommt gleich der gesamte Text hierher kopiert. Das vollständige Protokoll werde ich nicht einfach so ins Netz stellen. Auch wenn der Chat öffentlich war, halte ich es für keinen guten Stil, hinterher das gesamte Protokoll ins Netz zu legen, wenn die Chatter nicht vor dem Chat darüber informiert oder anschließend um ihr Einverständnis gebeten wurden. Bryan musste damit rechnen, ggf. wörtlich zitiert zu werden, alle anderen Chatter nicht. Ich bitte daher um Verständnis, wenn ich nur die Aussagen von Bryan aus der niederländischen Plattform hierher kopiere.
Schönen Gruß, Heidi

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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von Balla & Silly » Sa 9. Apr 2011, 13:41

Hier nun das niederländische Posting als Originalkopie, wobei nur die Aussagen Bryans wörtlich zitiert zusammengefasst wurden:

Here are the basic details of what happened:
We worked with an agency who was representing Timberland. We put them in touch with local reviewers who would help with cache placement. Due to some serious miscommunication between Groundspeak and the agency, the caches were placed in locations that were ill adised and also placed without permission. This is obviously a significant issue since most of the violated rules are ours, and the landowners. The local reviewers did what they were asked to do and even told the agency how to request permission. So, we now have a new solution...

Basically, Groundspeak, and myself personally are responsible for the poor manner in which these caches were delivered. The reviewers did everything they could to make it work. In our haste to please the client, we cut some corners that never should have been cut. This is primarily my fault.

But, I can tell you, this is not going to happen again. If the caches in Amsterdam do not have landowner permission by tomorrow morning, they will be archived.
Certainly, it is too late to make it perfect, but we are going to do what we can to fix it.
Additionally, caches in the other countries will be archived on Monday if they don't have permission.
Going forward, there is a second aspect of the promotion that will be for the public.
It will not begin in any form until the details are corrected and all guidelines are properly met. This is also the plan for any future promotion, include ones in development now.

The first part of this promotion was supposed to be very limited and allow pre-selected bloggers to write about the future promotion. Only the second part was going to be more broadly announced. We made sure the cache pages were non-commercial but didn't consider that geocachers wanted to know about the commercial containers too. So, after learning, we made a change to the pages. Hopefully the commuity based promotion is better received when it is done correctly.

Because it is a limited promotion, we didn't consider a special icon. We will probably add a commercial attribute, as well as info on the cache page.

The first phase of this promotion will end on Monday. The second phase is planned to being in May. But, based on what we've learned, it may be a little while longer to make sure everything is good.

Please consider for a moment that our internal motivation for working with Timberland and previous promotion partners was not financial. We are extremely impressed with their Nature Needs Heroes campaign and we simply wanted to be a part of it. Timberland is a very well regarded hiking boot manufacturer (among other items) and their audience is very similar to that of geocaching. We felt that by working with them on this promotion, that we would be able to introduce more people to geocaching and broaden the exposure for the activity. I am not suggesting that we haven’t been compensated for the development work we’ve done to deliver the promotion. As a small company, we simply can’t commit development resources to a promotion without covering our internal costs. However, promotional programs for Groundspeak are generally not viewed as profit centers. Rather, they are viewed as an opportunity to introduce new audiences to geocaching while providing an entertaining new element, temporary or otherwise, to the community. As I mentioned in my post yesterday, although our intentions are 100% positive, we may not always get it 100% correct, but we will learn with each new opportunity and do our best to deliver the best features, functions and services to the global geocaching community. Our financial goal is simply to cover our costs while delivering a fun an engaging promotion.

The point is not to win a pair of boots, although that would be nice. The point was more to get people out and having fun finding new caches. As always, it is not so much about the find, it is about the journey. In this case, we needed to do a much better job with the journey.

The difficult part was that the promotion you have seen was not designed for geocachers. It was designed for bloggers. The next phase of the promotion will be better explained. Yes, there are prizes too, and everyone will be able to participate, so no 'blogger code' needed.

They are primarily based in cities so that more people can participate.

We have had *many* chances to do commercial caches in the past but we usually say no because commercial caches promoting banks and such do not feel right. Timberland, as an outdoor company, felt like a good fit.

The Terms and Conditions will be changed for the next phase of the promotion.

Although it was a good fit, we didn't execute properly. So, we have some work to do to get t right, but we will also apply the lessons learned to all future promotions. It is not our intent to blanket the world with commercial caches. We only want to add them when we feel there is a benefit to geocachers.

Most people don't realy understand how we feel about geocaching at Groundspeak. It is our responsibility to do this right...for you and the rest of the community. If this was just about money, we would have sold the business or taken funding from other sources a long time ago. This is about serving the community and building a long term business that can guarantee the future of the activity. Anything that we do which messes things up really hurts us as well. And, personally, it is embarrassing to make mistakes...and a good incentive not to make them again.

Second phase... there is much that I can't tell because I don't want to spoil it. But, It will likely be the same citities with new caches (that do follow the rules). There will be a contest with prizes. No blogger codes (of course). But, if we can't get permission for certain cities, we will have to choose other cities.
I hope they wont be ripped too. The negative comments, violent comments and ripping of caches is not the kid of behavior we would expect from cachers. Well, we will make sure the promo adheres to all local laws.

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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von cmowse » Mo 11. Apr 2011, 18:10

R.I.P

Aktion vorbei -> Dose ins Archiv
The Promotion is open from 15:00 GMT on 28 March 2011 commences and closes on 15:00 GMT on 10/04/2011 (the “Closing Date”).

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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von TriIIian » Do 14. Apr 2011, 01:21

Die Dosen liegen jetzt "natürlich" weiter da rum. Ich habe eben per PM bei "Nature needs Heroes" angefragt, ob er/sie sie noch braucht bzw. ob geplant ist, dass sie entfernt werden.
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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von Gandalf2904 » Do 14. Apr 2011, 16:52

Das ist ja noch schicker.
Gehört das nicht auch zu den Richtlinien, dass man seinen Geomüll aufsammelt?

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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von TriIIian » Do 14. Apr 2011, 23:13

Aber Richtlinien hatten bei diesen Reklame-Caches doch sowieso keine Priorität, oder hatte ich da was falsch verstanden?

Ich dachte, man könnte nun den Geomüll in ein paar ordentliche Tradis umwandeln. Dann hätte das Ganze wenigstens noch etwas Gutes. Die Dosen waren nämlich ganz schön gemacht. Die "Holzdosen" sogar relativ aufwändig. Ehrlich gesagt, erwarte ich nicht, dass der Owner überhaupt auf meine Anfrage reagiert.
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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von radioscout » Do 14. Apr 2011, 23:20

Bei den Dosen eines Verlags (nicht bei Geocaching.com gelistet) wurde das so gemacht: verschiedene User haben sie bei Geocaching.com gelistet, als sie vom Verlag aufgegeben wurden.
Und so mancher FTFler hat sich gewundert, daß er nur Zweiter wurde: zwei Jahre nach dem Erstfund.
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Wir hätten nie uns getraut doofe Dosen anzumelden schon aus Respekt vor diesem geheimnisvollen Spiel (Dosenfischer, Die goldenen Jahre)

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Re: Hat Groundspeak einen Deal mit Timberland?

Beitrag von Rupa » Do 14. Apr 2011, 23:26

Der künstliche Stein am Märchenbrunnen ist echt nicht so dolle, der ist aus einem ganz leichten, porösen, saugfähigen Material. Ich möchte nicht wissen, wie der jetzt schon aussieht. Ganz zu schweigen davon, daß das bestimmt nicht nur Wasser ist, womit der sich vollsaugt. Dort wo der liegt...

Da hab ich letzte Woche 'ne ganze Menge viel besser gemachter künstlicher Steine gesehen.
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